Don....I understand exactly were you come from....I installed a mac mini for Margaret.....played with it as best I could....very much missed how I can get around an OS\2 system.<br>Went to the Apple store...sat in on a basic level intro....more for Margaret than me.....after that found a sales rep to help with other observations I had made.<br>
<br>Open apple menu...go to Services....VERY FIRST SERVICE available....translate for Chinese or some such.....exact wording not the point.....the point that this was the TOP of THE LIST for whatever reason, got me going....so sales person....what the hell do I do with this and why is it the first.....duh....no one ever asked me that before....duh....why do you care....<br>
well I just do as its my nature ....so lets remove it.....oh I'll have to check with someone about that....I've never done that....why would you want to....ends up that he couldn't delete or change it. As an aside to this....the upgraded Snow Lep. doesn't have it. The point again is....Trust Us this is good for you...WE know what you want so here it is....don't ask questions.. just be happy. Other ideas I had about why the interface worked...or DIDN"T WORK....the way you might expect it to got the same response ....why do you even look there or why do you want to do that....and the more I play around with it....the stupider it gets ..as to how anyone would consider the way that apple does stuff is better or more intuitive or USER FRIENDLY ...is a bunch of bs.<br>
<br>Peter<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:54 PM, D Burch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:theunk@telus.net">theunk@telus.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div>Snow Leopard (10.6) does remediate a lot of Leopard's weak
points. For $29 ($25 from <a href="http://Amazon.com" target="_blank">Amazon.com</a>) and with very easy
installation, it's well worthwhile.</div>
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<div>As you may know, Mac OS X is basically a big UNIX shell. If
what you miss most about OS/2 is getting under the hood, you might like
to read _Learning Unix for Mac OS X Tiger<span style="font-size: 13px;">_ </span><font size="4"><span style="font-size: 14px;">by
Dave Taylor. It partly explains how OS X works and is full of OS X
UNIX hints and tweaks, as well as replacements for some of the OS X
apps that you may not like. It doesn't presuppose any prior knowledge
of UNIX . Amazon has it for $13.75. See:</span></font></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 14px;"> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Learning-Unix-Mac-OS-Tiger/dp/0596009151/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257807169&sr=1-1" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Learning-Unix-Mac-OS-Tiger/dp/0596009151/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257807169&sr=1-1</a></span></div>
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<div>Best regards, Joe Hansen</div>
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<div>On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Bob Wonderly wrote:</div>
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<div>I'm about 18 months into using my Mac running OS X 10.5... I
"never" (almost) shut it down. The few times I do are when I get it
hung so hard nothing else works (very seldom does this happen) and when
it wants me to allow software upgrades that require restart. And once
in a g-r-e-a-t while to freshen it up.<br>
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In other words it runs for weeks at a time, sleeping when I am not
using it. The same as I did my Linux boxes and OS/2 boxes before that.<br>
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D Burch wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Well not a year in and I still miss OS/2
and am slowly losing touch with Windows use. I still seem to think OS/2
first, MAC second.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I have found nothing to compare to PMView
for image management or Filestar for basic file management. I find
Finder flakey and doesn't even come close to the WPS.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">There appear to be memory leaks or locks as
over time the available memory decreases to about .5 GB but never goes
lower. A reboot restores it to over 1.0 GB.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Close applications doesn't alway close them
so you have to keep an eye on the Active lights under the application
in the Dock.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Older hardware like scanners, printers and
some newer is usually detected at the machine level, but the software
doesn't respond, hasn't been kept current with the OS, etc.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I guess MAC users tend to shut their
machines down daily, maybe I should start.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">For the casual user I think there is a
sense of mindlessness. That may not be the right term, but after nearly
20 years of becoming quite intimate with the inner workings of my
machine, I find that the MAC approach to computing is similar to MS in
that you have to "trust" that everything will work properly as many of
the preference settings are lacking.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I have read that the version of the OSX I
have - Leopard is not the finest example of OSX ever written, so I may
spring for the upgrade and see if it helps.<br>
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