[Discussion] Gold CDs [was: Disk Backup to CD

Wed May 16 21:26:53 PDT 2007

Hi Carl,

My mistake. I only saw "[Discussion]Gold CDs ..." in
the subject line.

Sincerely,
James Cannon

--- Carl Gehr <Carl.Gehr at MCGCG.Com> wrote:

> James, you KNOW that is NOT what I said!  I said I
> wanted
> 	MY NAME OUT OF A **SUBJECT LINE**
> since it was NOT MY subject, thread, topic.
> 
> Possibly, for lack of careful reading, you will find
> the cause
> of a lot of misinformation.
> 
> Carl
> 
> 
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 18:10:07 -0700 (PDT), James
> Cannon wrote:
> 
> >Hi Carl,
> >
> >You don't want to be in [Discussion] anymore? Best
> of
> >luck in your future.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >James Cannon
> >
> >--- Carl Gehr <Carl.Gehr at MCGCG.Com> wrote:
> >
> >> I MADE A REQUEST VERY EARLY IN THIS TREAD THAT MY
> >> NAME BE REMOVED FROM
> >> THE 'SUBJECT' SINCE:
> >> 1) I did not originate the thread.
> >> 2) I only made ONE comment that has not been
> >> particularly
> >>    well received.
> >> 3) I have no plans to further contribute to the
> >> thread.
> >> 
> >> PLEASE:
> >> 	Remove the above:
> >> 	Remove my name from the subject [as I have done]
> >> TIA,
> >> Carl
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Thu, 10 May 2007 19:39:13 -0400, Joseph Hansen
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >May 10, 2007
> >> >
> >> >I think I posted this information here about a
> year
> >> ago.
> >> >
> >> >Inkjet Art sells gold-plated mitsui CDs that are
> >> claimed to be highly  
> >> >resistant to deterioration from heat and UV
> >> radiation, with a  
> >> >projected lifetime of 200 years.  They're
> >> expensive: about $1.50 each  
> >> >in small quantities.
> >> >
> >> >For more information, see:
> >> http://www.inkjetart.com/mitsui/index.html
> >> >
> >> >I do not have personal experience with these
> CDs,
> >> but would like to  
> >> >hear from anyone who has.
> >> >
> >> >Joe
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On May 10, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Carl Gehr wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Specifically regarding STORING of whatever
> media
> >> you use:
> >> >> 	I have a Safe Deposit Box at a nearby bank!
> >> >> The fireproof safe/box that I keep in house is
> >> only temporary
> >> >> before the media is moved to the bank.
> >> >>
> >> >> Carl
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, 10 May 2007 13:00:12 -0700, Bill
> Nicholls
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Keep in mind that CDs are *not* a robust
> >> mechanism for storage. Both
> >> >>> heat and light will accelerate the aging of
> the
> >> CD.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> As my friend Van found out, never leave you
> CD
> >> on a windowsill. He
> >> >>> picked it up after the afternoon sun had hit
> it
> >> for about two  
> >> >>> hours and
> >> >>> it was totally erased.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Unless you have a fireproof safe that limits
> the
> >> inside temp to  
> >> >>> boiling
> >> >>> water, the heat from a fire will also destroy
> >> non-stamped CDs. All in
> >> >>> all, they really are only a temporary storage
> >> medium.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Alternatives:
> >> >>> 1. DVDs - these are harder to erase, but not
> >> proof against a lot of
> >> >>> light or heat.
> >> >>> 2. Tape - the traditional backup still has a
> lot
> >> of value. Van  
> >> >>> tells me
> >> >>> that good tape drives, often with useable
> tapes,
> >> are available on  
> >> >>> ebay
> >> >>> for 5% of original cost, sometimes less. A
> good
> >> tape in a (non-cheap
> >> >>> 2000 degree F, 2 hours)) fireproof safe will
> >> survive even a very  
> >> >>> hot fire.
> >> >>> 3. Raid Drives - This is my current mecanism
> for
> >> backup, though I  
> >> >>> am in
> >> >>> the process of setting up a cheap DDS4 tape
> >> backup system, using  
> >> >>> Bacula
> >> >>> (recommended open source). A pair of RAID1
> 200GB
> >> drives is about  
> >> >>> $125,
> >> >>> and even a fire is unlikely to destroy the
> data
> >> unless the drives get
> >> >>> hot enough to warp.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Recommendation:
> >> >>> This is what I am doing. I already have
> multiple
> >> RAID1 drives in
> >> >>> different systems. I backup core files to two
> >> sets of raid drives if
> >> >>> they are important. For my video files I have
> a
> >> 1T RAID5 that can be
> >> >>> expanded to 2.5T with three more 500GB
> drives. I
> >> can recommend  
> >> >>> Hitachi
> >> >>> for this, though Segate's best are also fine,
> >> about the same price.
> >> >>> Currently high quality 500GB drives go for
> about
> >> $130-140.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In the next month I will be setting up the
> tapes
> >> and buying a $3-400
> >> >>> fireproof safe.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I know it's not cheap, but have you
> considered
> >> how much it costs to
> >> >>> recover data from one drive? $300 down, no
> upper
> >> limit and no  
> >> >>> guarantee.
> >> >>> Ouch!  Remember, digital photos and other
> >> personal stuff cannot be
> >> >>> replaced and insurance is not much
> compensation.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> BillN
> >> >>>
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> >> >
> >> >Joseph J Hansen
> >> >Lexington Strategic Associates
> >> >221 Follen Road, Lexington, MA 02421-5802
> >> >
> >> >tel (781) 863-5003
> >> >jhansen at LexSA.com,  www.LexSA.com
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Sincerely,
James Cannon

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