[Discussion] Gold CDs [was: Disk Backup to CD

Tue May 15 18:34:23 PDT 2007

James, you KNOW that is NOT what I said!  I said I wanted
	MY NAME OUT OF A **SUBJECT LINE**
since it was NOT MY subject, thread, topic.

Possibly, for lack of careful reading, you will find the cause
of a lot of misinformation.

Carl

On Tue, 15 May 2007 18:10:07 -0700 (PDT), James Cannon wrote:

>Hi Carl,
>
>You don't want to be in [Discussion] anymore? Best of
>luck in your future.
>
>Sincerely,
>James Cannon
>
>--- Carl Gehr <Carl.Gehr at MCGCG.Com> wrote:
>
>> I MADE A REQUEST VERY EARLY IN THIS TREAD THAT MY
>> NAME BE REMOVED FROM
>> THE 'SUBJECT' SINCE:
>> 1) I did not originate the thread.
>> 2) I only made ONE comment that has not been
>> particularly
>>    well received.
>> 3) I have no plans to further contribute to the
>> thread.
>> 
>> PLEASE:
>> 	Remove the above:
>> 	Remove my name from the subject [as I have done]
>> TIA,
>> Carl
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 19:39:13 -0400, Joseph Hansen
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >May 10, 2007
>> >
>> >I think I posted this information here about a year
>> ago.
>> >
>> >Inkjet Art sells gold-plated mitsui CDs that are
>> claimed to be highly  
>> >resistant to deterioration from heat and UV
>> radiation, with a  
>> >projected lifetime of 200 years.  They're
>> expensive: about $1.50 each  
>> >in small quantities.
>> >
>> >For more information, see:
>> http://www.inkjetart.com/mitsui/index.html
>> >
>> >I do not have personal experience with these CDs,
>> but would like to  
>> >hear from anyone who has.
>> >
>> >Joe
>> >
>> >
>> >On May 10, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Carl Gehr wrote:
>> >
>> >> Specifically regarding STORING of whatever media
>> you use:
>> >> 	I have a Safe Deposit Box at a nearby bank!
>> >> The fireproof safe/box that I keep in house is
>> only temporary
>> >> before the media is moved to the bank.
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 10 May 2007 13:00:12 -0700, Bill Nicholls
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Keep in mind that CDs are *not* a robust
>> mechanism for storage. Both
>> >>> heat and light will accelerate the aging of the
>> CD.
>> >>>
>> >>> As my friend Van found out, never leave you CD
>> on a windowsill. He
>> >>> picked it up after the afternoon sun had hit it
>> for about two  
>> >>> hours and
>> >>> it was totally erased.
>> >>>
>> >>> Unless you have a fireproof safe that limits the
>> inside temp to  
>> >>> boiling
>> >>> water, the heat from a fire will also destroy
>> non-stamped CDs. All in
>> >>> all, they really are only a temporary storage
>> medium.
>> >>>
>> >>> Alternatives:
>> >>> 1. DVDs - these are harder to erase, but not
>> proof against a lot of
>> >>> light or heat.
>> >>> 2. Tape - the traditional backup still has a lot
>> of value. Van  
>> >>> tells me
>> >>> that good tape drives, often with useable tapes,
>> are available on  
>> >>> ebay
>> >>> for 5% of original cost, sometimes less. A good
>> tape in a (non-cheap
>> >>> 2000 degree F, 2 hours)) fireproof safe will
>> survive even a very  
>> >>> hot fire.
>> >>> 3. Raid Drives - This is my current mecanism for
>> backup, though I  
>> >>> am in
>> >>> the process of setting up a cheap DDS4 tape
>> backup system, using  
>> >>> Bacula
>> >>> (recommended open source). A pair of RAID1 200GB
>> drives is about  
>> >>> $125,
>> >>> and even a fire is unlikely to destroy the data
>> unless the drives get
>> >>> hot enough to warp.
>> >>>
>> >>> Recommendation:
>> >>> This is what I am doing. I already have multiple
>> RAID1 drives in
>> >>> different systems. I backup core files to two
>> sets of raid drives if
>> >>> they are important. For my video files I have a
>> 1T RAID5 that can be
>> >>> expanded to 2.5T with three more 500GB drives. I
>> can recommend  
>> >>> Hitachi
>> >>> for this, though Segate's best are also fine,
>> about the same price.
>> >>> Currently high quality 500GB drives go for about
>> $130-140.
>> >>>
>> >>> In the next month I will be setting up the tapes
>> and buying a $3-400
>> >>> fireproof safe.
>> >>>
>> >>> I know it's not cheap, but have you considered
>> how much it costs to
>> >>> recover data from one drive? $300 down, no upper
>> limit and no  
>> >>> guarantee.
>> >>> Ouch!  Remember, digital photos and other
>> personal stuff cannot be
>> >>> replaced and insurance is not much compensation.
>> >>>
>> >>> BillN
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>> >Joseph J Hansen
>> >Lexington Strategic Associates
>> >221 Follen Road, Lexington, MA 02421-5802
>> >
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>> >jhansen at LexSA.com,  www.LexSA.com
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