[Discussion] OO204 startup problem with LVM

[mwizard99 at comcast.net]

In <auto-000001212180 at 2rosenthals.com>, on 06/08/07 
   at 04:04 PM, "Carl Gehr" <Carl.Gehr at MCGCG.Com> said:

>On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:44:34 -0500, mwizard99 at comcast.net wrote:

>>In <E1HwhqC-0005f8-00 at pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, on 06/08/07 
>>   at 09:39 AM, "Steven Levine" <steve53 at earthlink.net> said:
>>
>>>In <courier.46696FD4.0000467A at mail.abiliba.net>, on 06/08/07
>>>   at 08:52 AM, mwizard99 at comcast.net said:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>
>>>>Linking an application with a partitioning service (and
>>>>isn't installed on many Warp4 clients out there.) doesn't seem logical to
>>>>me.
>>
>>>There you go, making assumptions again.  Have you actually tried to
>>>understand what lvm.dll does?
>>
>>>>It seems that when runing with LVM people are either problem prone or
>>>>they are not.
>>
>>>Almost everyone running MCP and eCS is using LVM.  I sure one or two
>>>adventurous souls have removed it for one reason or another.  The number
>>>of end users still running non-LVM Warp4 systems are in the minority. 
>>>Can you point me at a large number of recent problem reports regarding
>>>LVM issues?  Frankly, I know more folks that have problems with Disk
>>>Druid and its ilk.
>>
>>>>troubles with LVM and it prevents (albiet temporarily I believe) them
>>>>from properly running their system.
>>
>>>This is mostly an education issue. 20 years ago folks had similar
>>>problems getting used to Boot Manager.  Before that it was fdisk.
>>
>>>>They have no troubles with LVM, and use it without hesitation, and
>>>>probably with little trouble.
>>
>>>Nothing is perfect.  I've fixed systems with LVM issues.  However, I try
>>>to avoid living my life in fear of what might go wrong.  I asses the
>>>benefits and the costs and take reasonable precautions and move forward.
>>
>>>>I run the risk of falling into the problem prone
>>>>category should I install this on my system just for OO use.
>>
>>>No one that knows anything has said you need to convert your system to
>>>LVM volume management to use OOorg.
>>
>>>>The OO docs and ecomstation website do not mention the LVM requirement,
>>
>>>Which docs?  From read1st.txt
>>
>>><snip>
>>>- Use LVM to query drive-types in file-open dialog.
>>></snip>
>>
>>>>though they mention the UCLIP and the other lib package which are
>>>>provided in the download.
>>
>>>I'd suspect the doc was written with eCS users in mind.  LVM is not an
>>>add-on component for these users.
>>
>>>>And in my opinion, I shouldn't
>>>>have to have found that site before ordering the package, if I had read
>>>>the ecomstation pages on OO.
>>
>>>I recommend you discuss this with Mensys.  I don't get to edit their
>>>website content all that often.
>>
>>>>1. Install LVM and configure my drives with it.
>>
>>>Not a requirement.
>>
>>>>2. Cancel my intended usage of OO204 since I don't have the LVM
>>>>requirement.
>>
>>>This is a choice you can make.
>>
>>>>3. Defer the use of 00204 on OS/2 until such a time as I have an LVM
>>>>system (and someday I will), or the ecomstation folks
>>
>>>This is a choice you can make.
>>
>>>>(You, Chuck, and
>>>>others) opt to rework that code to remove the LVM requirement.
>>
>>>As you suspect, this is not going to happen.
>>
>>>>(I note
>>>>your suggestion above that tells me the rework is unlikely.)
>>
>>>Agreed.  There's no reason to remove the features it provides.  If enough
>>>Warp4 users request it, perhaps the features will be make optional.
>>
>>>>In the mean time, ecomstation support is still looking at my problem and
>>>>trying to help me out.
>>
>>>Odd.  The answer is simple and the os2bbs pages tells you exactly what to
>>>do.  Perhaps they are busy.
>>
>>Steven,
>>
>>Please clarify.  It seems that you are implying that I can install LVM on
>>my Warp4 system and allow Open Office to use it.  
>>
>>But I don't have to run it or configure any of my drives after I've done
>>the manual install?
>>
>>Regards,
>>-Mark

>Just a comment from an observer to this thread who thinks this is a lot
>of To-Do about absolutely nothing!

>I have been using eCS since very early 1.0.  It has always had LVM.  I
>have had to do NOTHING with it other than it gives me the flexibilty to
>assign the drive letters that I choose instead of the defaults that were
>a PITA with Warp4.  If you do not 'create volumes' you will never even
>know that LVM is there.

>Honestly, no one is trying to make your life miserable.

>Carl

Carl & everyone else,

For me, I don't think this is a to-do about nothing if I cant get OO to
run on my system.   Putting the LVM.DLL into my system changed the
problem, but didn't fix it enough to allow me to run the product.  I've
followed up with eComstation support.  For those curious, the return code
changed from 2 to 191.  But the rest of the behavior remains the same.

And my apologies to anyone if I gave the impression that people are giving
me a hard time.  

No one is giving me a hard time!

Everyone is definitely helping me out.

regards,
-Mark
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