From htravis at attglobal.net  Fri Jul  2 02:45:57 2004
From: htravis at attglobal.net (htravis at attglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:45:57 -0300
Subject: [Discussion] LVM - OT
In-Reply-To: <200406280512.i5S5CaHG031321@fitch6.uni2.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.616.1220301619.20322.discussion@lists.possi.org>

Capitalizing "o" in no and adding an exclamation point is not yelling.
Whoever does it. 

Answering:
        "Niels Jensen" <njensen at get2net.dk>  ' message of:
        06/28/04  at 07:09 AM,
        About:Re: [Discussion] LVM - OT

|** Reply to message from jbrush at aros.net on Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:39:30
|-0600

|> >poor Chuck
|> >M. is challenged for distemper for
|> >capitalizing the second letter in "no."
|> 
|> and for adding an exclamation point. As usual,  those who choose to argue always
|> seem to forget to note all the details, and then try to trivialize it in order
|> to make a point. You cannot dispute that the use of capital letters and an
|> exclamation point is considered to be yelling, so how did you get from me asking
|> a simple question, to Chuck being challenged for distempter? 
|> 
|> Chuck didn't say anything, its long over, let it go.

|It was not chuck yelling. I did, and I did attempt to apologies to
|the list yesterday.

|Please don't accuse Chuck of something he did not do!

|With kind regards from Niels Jensen
|Living Safely in Slangerup northwest of Copenhagen, Denmark
|_______________________________________________ Discussion mailing
|list
|Discussion at lists.possi.org
|http://lists.possi.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
HPT
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From jbrush at aros.net  Fri Jul  2 11:16:29 2004
From: jbrush at aros.net (jbrush at aros.net)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:16:29 -0600
Subject: [Discussion] LVM - OT
In-Reply-To: <courier.40E53CEF.00002ECB@mail.epackage.net>
Message-ID: <200407021813.i62IDgSe072340@deimos.aros.net>

In <courier.40E53CEF.00002ECB at mail.epackage.net>, on 07/02/04 at 06:45 AM,
   htravis at attglobal.net said:

>Capitalizing "o" in no and adding an exclamation point is not yelling. Whoever
>does it. 

TYPING ALL CAPITAL LETTERS AND AN EXCLAMATION POINT ADDED FOR EMPHASIS IS THE
TEXT EQUIVALENT OF YELLING. IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT THE MEANING OF THE WORD
'YELL,'  CHANGE IT TO READ EMPHATIC AND LOUD!!!!!

You know it is, it always has been. 

I didn't chastise anyone, I didn't pick a fight. I simply asked why. No one
involved seems overly concerned. Time to move on.

John



From jimscott at joplin.com  Tue Jul  6 14:58:01 2004
From: jimscott at joplin.com (jimscott at joplin.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:58:01 -0600
Subject: [Discussion] Peer setup for DHCP
Message-ID: <mailman.617.1220301619.20322.discussion@lists.possi.org>

I need to know what needs to be done to make DHCP work on a peer network (if possible).  I am running a simple interface with Injoy (5 user) to get to an SDSL   
connection.  
 
Any help or ideas? 



Regards,
Jim Scott




From mckinnis at sandia.net  Tue Jul  6 13:39:02 2004
From: mckinnis at sandia.net (Chuck McKinnis)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:39:02 -0600
Subject: [Discussion] Peer setup for DHCP
In-Reply-To: <courier.40EB13EE.00000C5B@mail.epackage.net>
References: <courier.40EB13EE.00000C5B@mail.epackage.net>
Message-ID: <200407062123.i66LNCw09361@home.7cities.net>

** Reply to message from jimscott at joplin.com on Tue, 6 Jul 2004
15:58:01 -0600

The easiest way is to go out and buy a firewall/router with the DHCP
server built-in.  Screwing around with DHCP is not worth the $50 (max)
that you would spend for a little black box.

Chuck McKinnis
Covenant Solutions
http://pws.prserv.net/mckinnis/
505-286-3191

Temperament is temper that is too old to spank


From bqncraupv6001 at sneakemail.com  Tue Jul  6 17:17:48 2004
From: bqncraupv6001 at sneakemail.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:17:48 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] Peer setup for DHCP
In-Reply-To: <courier.40EB13EE.00000C68@mail.epackage.net>
References: <courier.40EB13EE.00000C68@mail.epackage.net>
Message-ID: <29268-70927@sneakemail.com>

** Reply to message from "jimscott at joplin.com" on Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:58:01 -0600

> I need to know what needs to be done to make DHCP work on a peer network (if
> possible).  I am running a simple interface with Injoy (5 user) to get to an
> SDSL connection.

Here is what I did.  This procedure is not a proper install and does not have
all the functions (I have heard it only installs properly on an e-server).  So
far the only thing I know that does not work is the logging but I have not
looked at what else may not work.  I only needed the dhcp service to work for
the machines attached to my home LAN which does work.

eCS CD #2

copied \cid\server\tcpappinstall\dhcpserv\dhcpsd.exe to \mptn\bin\

There is a DLL that needs to be copied but I can not remember its name.  If you
execute dhcpsd you will get an error message that tells you the DLL name, copy
it to a directory in the LIBPATH.

In \tcpip\bin\tcpstart.cmd I added "start /c /min dhcpsd".

In \mptn\ETC\ put a file called dhcpsd.cfg.  I have copied mine as a sample.

There is documentation on CD #2.  In a web browser open the file
\cid\server\tcpapps\install\dhsamst.htm.

The following is my config file.  Subnet is the range of IP address to assign,
Option 1 is the subnet mask, Option 3 is the gateway, Option 6 is the name
servers.  Don't ask me about all the other stuff because I had a few people
send me their config files and I copied what I thought I needed and probably a
bunch of stuff I don't need.

logFileName dhcpsd.log
logFileSize 10
numLogFiles 3
logItem SYSERR
logItem OBJERR
logItem WARNING
logItem INFO
leaseExpireInterval 1 Minutes
leaseTimeDefault 8 Hours
pingTime 1 Seconds
reservedTime 5 Minutes
usedIPAddressExpireInterval 1000 Seconds
statisticSnapshot 1
releaseDNSA "nsupdate -f -h%s  -s"d;a;%s;s;%s;0;q""
updateDNSA "nsupdate -f -h%s -s"d;a;*;a;a;%s;s;%s;3110400;q""
supportBOOTP no
supportUnlistedClients dhcp
allRoutesBroadcast no
UserMatchesVendorClass no
servertype dhcp
canonical no
proxyARec no
appendDomainName no
#vendor PXEClient
subnet 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.100-192.168.1.199
{
  option 3 192.168.1.1
  option 1 255.255.255.0
  option 6 64.255.237.242 64.255.237.243
}

-- 
Robert Blair


From jhansen at LexSA.com  Wed Jul  7 06:33:38 2004
From: jhansen at LexSA.com (Joseph J. Hansen)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:33:38 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Partition "unformatted"
References: <40E5AFF1.4DA6E6BF@LexSA.com>
Message-ID: <40EBFBB2.2E329DF2@LexSA.com>

					July 7, 2004

Many thanks to all who recommended DFSee!  For some reason, I had not
known of this program, which appears to offer a lot of capability not
available elsewhere.  I downloaded it, paid for and received a license
on July 2.  It appears that selecting the damaged partition, setting the
file system to FAT32, and running command 'FIXBOOT 9' (the '9' selects
Windows 98 as the OS) may well fix the problem.  

Mindful of the possibility of making things worse through use of such a
powerful tool, I've sent a copy of the appropriate DFSee diagnostic
file, along my thoughts, to Jan van Wijk for his comments before
proceeding.  According to the DFSee Yahoo group, Jan is on vacation
until July 12, so I probably won't hear from him until next week.  I can
get along without Windows 98 until then.

Since I have the Win98 boot drive all backed up with BackAgainII, which
resides on an (undamaged) FAT16 partition, plan B is to reformat,
reinstall Windows 98, and restore the boot drive from the tape backup. 
I'll report back next week.  



"Joseph J. Hansen" wrote:
> 
>                                         July 2, 2004
> 
> My setup includes IBM boot manager, a small HPFS OS/2 maintenance
> partition, a 4gb FAT32 partition with Win98 on it, a FAT16 partition
> with data that both Windows and OS/2 can read, and a bunch of HPFS
> partitions with OS/2.
> 
> OS/2 continues to run well, but suddenly the boot manager reports that
> the FAT32 partition is unformatted.  Both FDISK and Partition Magic
> report that the partition is type 0B (which is correct), but
> unformatted.
> 
> I have a tape backup of both FAT partitions made with BackAgain ii for
> Windows 98 on June 16, so I could reformat the FAT32 partition, try to
> reinstall windows 98 from the original disks + CD, and then try to
> restore.
> 
> Does anyone have other suggestions for recovering that may be easier?
> 
> Thanks in advance, Joe Hansen
> 
> --
> Joseph J. Hansen                            tel (781) 863 5003
> Lexington Strategic Associates              fax (781) 862 8845
> 221 Follen Road                             jhansen at LexSA.com
> Lexington, MA 02421-5802, U.S.A.
> 
> http://www.LexSA.com
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Lexington Strategic Associates              fax (781) 862 8845
221 Follen Road                             jhansen at LexSA.com
Lexington, MA 02421-5802, U.S.A.

http://www.LexSA.com


From isaxe at attglobal.net  Wed Jul  7 07:25:32 2004
From: isaxe at attglobal.net (Ira N. Saxe)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:25:32 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Partition "unformatted"
References: <40E5AFF1.4DA6E6BF@LexSA.com>
Message-ID: <40EC07DC.37A6FD7A@attglobal.net>

Joseph, I have a similar setup but use Power Boot 3.0.10; for which I
have a Rescue and a Re-install diskette.  A reinstall of your boot
manager would be worth a try.  Regards, Ira Saxe

"Joseph J. Hansen" wrote:
> 
>                                         July 2, 2004
> 
> My setup includes IBM boot manager, a small HPFS OS/2 maintenance
> partition, a 4gb FAT32 partition with Win98 on it, a FAT16 partition
> with data that both Windows and OS/2 can read, and a bunch of HPFS
> partitions with OS/2.
> 
> OS/2 continues to run well, but suddenly the boot manager reports that
> the FAT32 partition is unformatted.  Both FDISK and Partition Magic
> report that the partition is type 0B (which is correct), but
> unformatted.
> 
> I have a tape backup of both FAT partitions made with BackAgain ii for
> Windows 98 on June 16, so I could reformat the FAT32 partition, try to
> reinstall windows 98 from the original disks + CD, and then try to
> restore.
> 
> Does anyone have other suggestions for recovering that may be easier?
> 
> Thanks in advance, Joe Hansen
> 
> --
> Joseph J. Hansen                            tel (781) 863 5003
> Lexington Strategic Associates              fax (781) 862 8845
> 221 Follen Road                             jhansen at LexSA.com
> Lexington, MA 02421-5802, U.S.A.
> 
> http://www.LexSA.com
> _______________________________________________
> Discussion mailing list
> Discussion at lists.possi.org
> http://lists.possi.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion


From bokeny at attglobal.net  Fri Jul  9 11:07:39 2004
From: bokeny at attglobal.net (bokeny at attglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:07:39 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Need help with TinkPad A22e USB floppy and dialup
Message-ID: <mailman.618.1220301619.20322.discussion@lists.possi.org>

Dear POSSI Members,

Problem #1.
What can I do to eCS to recognize an external USB floppy disk drive. 
The eCS install went without a hitch on ThinkPad A22e with built in CD
ROM drive.  I have to burn a CD to copy a file from my desktop system to
the A22e.

Problem #2.
The laptop is my wife's.  I want to wean her off from Windows (which she
dislike anyhow), but I cannot get out on the internet neither with
Mozilla nor MR/2 ICE.  I can connect with both InJoy and with the IBM
Dialer to my provider (attglobal.net) and the Zoom modems lite blink
correctly.  Messages come back like pop3 is unavailable or like
www.xxxxx cannot be found.

Any suggestion where to look for the trouble?

TIA


--
Zoltan Bokeny <bokeny at attglobal.net>
OS/2 Warp 4 / eCS 1.1 - MR/2 ICE V2.41 #20296
FAPCUG - POSSI - SCOUG - TOUG - VOICE
Fayetteville, North Carolina




From mjwalsh at elp.rr.com  Fri Jul  9 16:26:37 2004
From: mjwalsh at elp.rr.com (Matthew Walsh)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:26:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Discussion] Re:Need help with TinkPad A22e USB floppy and dialup
In-Reply-To: <courier.40EEEB34.00002E8F@mail.epackage.net>
Message-ID: <200407092326.i69NQTt1014803@ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com>

>Problem #1.
>What can I do to eCS to recognize an external USB floppy disk drive. 
>The eCS install went without a hitch on ThinkPad A22e with built in CD
>ROM drive.  I have to burn a CD to copy a file from my desktop system to
>the A22e.

I would suggest a USB flash Key for one thing.  For $20 you can get 128
mb instead of 1.44 and it's a lot more stable.  Do you have the latest
eCS usbbasic.exe and os2ldr.exe from last week and the most recent USB
MSD driver?  That msd driver was the fix for me on 3 or 4 machines.

>
>Problem #2.
>The laptop is my wife's.  I want to wean her off from Windows (which she
>dislike anyhow), but I cannot get out on the internet neither with
>Mozilla nor MR/2 ICE.  I can connect with both InJoy and with the IBM
>Dialer to my provider (attglobal.net) and the Zoom modems lite blink
>correctly.  Messages come back like pop3 is unavailable or like
>www.xxxxx cannot be found.
 
You probably need to set the DNS for your TCPIP and then it will work
fine?  I think.
HTH




From steve53 at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  9 19:37:20 2004
From: steve53 at earthlink.net (Steven Levine)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:37:20 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] Partition "unformatted"
In-Reply-To: <40EBFBB2.2E329DF2@LexSA.com>
Message-ID: <E1Bj7mV-0001bv-00@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

In <40EBFBB2.2E329DF2 at LexSA.com>, on 07/07/04 
   at 09:33 AM, "Joseph J. Hansen" <jhansen at LexSA.com> said:

>Mindful of the possibility of making things worse through use of such a
>powerful tool, I've sent a copy of the appropriate DFSee diagnostic file,
>along my thoughts, to Jan van Wijk for his comments before proceeding. 
>According to the DFSee Yahoo group, Jan is on vacation until July 12, so
>I probably won't hear from him until next week.  I can get along without
>Windows 98 until then.

dfsee offers the tools that allow you to back out your changes, if needed. 
Take a look a PSAVE and PRESTORE.  PSAVE is run under the covers when you
run the dfstart script.

HTH,

Steven

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From elliota at quik.com  Fri Jul  9 18:51:06 2004
From: elliota at quik.com (elliot)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:51:06 -0600
Subject: [Discussion] PMBogoFilter ?
Message-ID: <40EF4B8A.5050108@quik.com>

Does anyone know if PMBogoFilter will work with Mozilla? I'm finding the 
built-in filter of Mozilla is a bit lacking.

TIA....Elliot



From stanleys at cybernex.net  Sat Jul 10 04:39:40 2004
From: stanleys at cybernex.net (Stanley Sidlov)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:39:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Discussion] PMBogoFilter ?
In-Reply-To: <40EF4B8A.5050108@quik.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000326405233@admin.nni.com>

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:51:06 -0600, elliot wrote:

>Does anyone know if PMBogoFilter will work with Mozilla? I'm finding the 
>built-in filter of Mozilla is a bit lacking.

It uses the same principles as the one built in to Moz.  The increasing number of spam with random words in it is 
beginning to have an effect on this type of filter to the point where I have to check every day what is being moved to 
the bulk/junk filter.  Email from the same person that passed a couple hours before suddenly gets a higher spam 
rating. 

These filters only work by running email marked 'spam' and 'not spam' through them and they can get better or 
worse with time depending how well you maintain them and what type of spam is running through them. 

Besides the PMBogoFilter is designed for PMMail/2 which I use.  





From jhansen at LexSA.com  Sat Jul 10 07:10:51 2004
From: jhansen at LexSA.com (Joseph J. Hansen)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:10:51 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Partition "unformatted"
References: <E1Bj7mV-0001bv-00@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <40EFF8EB.5756FCCD@LexSA.com>

					July 10, 2004

Thanks for this information, Steven.  I did run DFSTART, as recommended
in the DFSEE file README.TXT.

Since Jan van Wijk is due back from vacation in a couple of days, and
since I don't need Win98 for anything right now, I don't see any
disadvantage to waiting for his comments before proceeding.

Joe

Steven Levine wrote:
> 
> In <40EBFBB2.2E329DF2 at LexSA.com>, on 07/07/04
>    at 09:33 AM, "Joseph J. Hansen" <jhansen at LexSA.com> said:
> 
> >Mindful of the possibility of making things worse through use of such a
> >powerful tool, I've sent a copy of the appropriate DFSee diagnostic file,
> >along my thoughts, to Jan van Wijk for his comments before proceeding.
> >According to the DFSee Yahoo group, Jan is on vacation until July 12, so
> >I probably won't hear from him until next week.  I can get along without
> >Windows 98 until then.
> 
> dfsee offers the tools that allow you to back out your changes, if needed.
> Take a look a PSAVE and PRESTORE.  PSAVE is run under the covers when you
> run the dfstart script.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Steven
> 
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Steven Levine" <steve53 at earthlink.net>  MR2/ICE 2.47 #10183 Warp4/FP15/14.093c_W4
> www.scoug.com irc.fyrelizard.com #scoug (Wed 7pm PST)
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Lexington Strategic Associates              fax (781) 862 8845
221 Follen Road                             jhansen at LexSA.com
Lexington, MA 02421-5802, U.S.A.

http://www.LexSA.com


From zaveloff at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 10 07:51:33 2004
From: zaveloff at earthlink.net (S Zaveloff)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:51:33 -0500
Subject: [Discussion] USB Modem/Cell Phone
Message-ID: <40F00275.6000406@earthlink.net>

Please forgive me if you've seen this before. I posted this on two other list
but received no replies and thought I might have better luck here.

How do I get a USB modem to work with eCS 1.1? I am using a Samsung cell
phone (SCH a-650) as a wireless modem. Win 2K sees it (after installing
USB driver that came with the mobile connection kit for the phone) and
has assigned it to COM4. I've tried to access it in eCS but have had no
luck. According to the hardware manager, the USB com device driver is
loaded but no IRQ is shown. What do I need to do?
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P.O. Box 200203			     	          Tel: (512)219-7142
Austin, Texas 78720-0203		     	  Fax: (512)233-2770
	     http://home.earthlink.net/~zaveloff/

Not by harming life does one become noble.
One is termed noble for being gentle to all living things.
			-Dhammapada



From greenwood at andrekole.org  Sun Jul 11 15:20:42 2004
From: greenwood at andrekole.org (Craig Greenwood)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:20:42 -0700 (EST)
Subject: [Discussion] July food SIG
Message-ID: <mailman.619.1220301619.20322.discussion@lists.possi.org>

Our gathering of Phoenix locals for July (13th) will feature all-American 
cuisine at the Cowboy Restaurant and Brewery. 

20751 North Pima, Suite 100
Scottsdale, Arizona 85255
480-502-5557

4-7 Happy hour with $4 appetizers and $2 beers

An upscale casual American restaurant and brewery, The Cowboy offers 
traditional food with an "Unlikely Twist".

For more info visit http://www.azeats.com/unlikelycowboy/home.htm

Craig
Craig and Sheila Greenwood
here-there at bigfoot.com



From mhannan at clover.net  Mon Jul 12 19:38:46 2004
From: mhannan at clover.net (Mark Hannan)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:38:46 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Connecting to a Windows 2003 Server from
	aneComstation client
References: <40DC3E45.9000805@bigvalley.net><20040629012957.GTSJ27242.smtp3.fuse.net@Carl-A30p>
	<200406291233.i5TCXUxZ011142@fitch5.uni2.net>
Message-ID: <014f01c46882$85e0b5b0$01b997d1@usacb.am.win.colpal.com>


Are they taking the novell server out because of IPX?  We upgraded to
Netware 6.5 which runs
IPX and TCP/IP together.  Windows can connect to it through CIFS without a
client while OS/2 can
connect with the IPX client.

Mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Niels Jensen" <njensen at get2net.dk>
To: "POSSI Discussion List" <discussion at lists.possi.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:30 AM
Subject: [Discussion] Connecting to a Windows 2003 Server from aneComstation
client


Dear POSSI Friends,

After years of good work our Novell Netware server is about to
retire after faithfully taking care of e-mail as well as file
storage and print serving for about 150 persons. I some of you
know connecting to Novell Netware is a piece of cake as long as
it use IPX,

I am now faced with connecting to a Windows 2003 Server. E-mail
is no problem, since the Exchange Server has finally got POP3 and
SMTP activated. However, I am at loss about how to connect to the
Windows 2003 Server to use it as a file server (I have a small
batch file, which has been used to backup up all files on my
document partition with the archieve bit set to the Netware
system) in order to keep doing my regular backups.

I thought I could use NetDrive, but I have had no success yet, so
I decided it is time to ask for help. Any directions would be
highly appreciated.

With kind regards from Niels Jensen
Living Safely in Slangerup northwest of Copenhagen, Denmark
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From tagyrene at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 13 15:59:41 2004
From: tagyrene at earthlink.net (Tony Anton)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:59:41 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] Nic search
Message-ID: <40F4695D.4040105@earthlink.net>

I plan to set up a wireless peer to peer connection between my desktop 
and my notebook. Right now I am looking at Netgear's PCI WAG 311 and 
Cardbus WG 511.

Does anyone know about drivers for these cards?

TonyA



From Carl.Gehr at attglobal.net  Tue Jul 13 17:13:33 2004
From: Carl.Gehr at attglobal.net (Carl Gehr)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:13:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Discussion] Transferring profiles, etc., for ATTDialer
Message-ID: <20040714001333.JUSA7738.smtp3.fuse.net@Carl-A30p>

Does anyone know where the profiles used by the ATTDialer are kept?

I'm still trying to get all of the old programs moved from my recovered
C-Drive to the new boot-drive on my new system.  I think you're allowed
8 or 9 profiles to be saved.  I had used all of the slots and I'd like
to avoid trying to rebuild them from scratch.

Thanks,
Carl





From jhansen at LexSA.com  Wed Jul 14 06:05:16 2004
From: jhansen at LexSA.com (Joseph J. Hansen)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:05:16 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Partition "unformatted"
References: <40E5AFF1.4DA6E6BF@LexSA.com>
Message-ID: <40F52F8C.3290C652@LexSA.com>

					July 14, 2004 (Bastille Day)

Thanks to the suggestions of this group, I can boot to Windows 98 again,
and did not lose any applications or data.  

Jan van Wijk was very helpful (after he returned from a 3 week
vacation).  DFSEE's fixboot command appeared to be able to do the job,
but it not work on the first try.  Jan was able to determine from
diagnostic files I sent him that the spare copy of the old bootsector
was intact.  I was able to use that to reconstruct the partition's
operating boot sector, resulting in a complete repair of the damage.

As Don Woodall wrote, the price (40 euros, or about $50 US) for this
kind of support is very reasonable.

Joe Hansen

"Joseph J. Hansen" wrote:
> 
>                                         July 2, 2004
> 
> My setup includes IBM boot manager, a small HPFS OS/2 maintenance
> partition, a 4gb FAT32 partition with Win98 on it, a FAT16 partition
> with data that both Windows and OS/2 can read, and a bunch of HPFS
> partitions with OS/2.
> 
> OS/2 continues to run well, but suddenly the boot manager reports that
> the FAT32 partition is unformatted.  Both FDISK and Partition Magic
> report that the partition is type 0B (which is correct), but
> unformatted.
> 
> I have a tape backup of both FAT partitions made with BackAgain ii for
> Windows 98 on June 16, so I could reformat the FAT32 partition, try to
> reinstall windows 98 from the original disks + CD, and then try to
> restore.
> 
> Does anyone have other suggestions for recovering that may be easier?
> 
> Thanks in advance, Joe Hansen
> 
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From elliota at quik.com  Tue Jul 13 22:19:23 2004
From: elliota at quik.com (elliot)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:19:23 -0600
Subject: [Discussion] mailing list manager?
Message-ID: <40F4C25B.3080602@quik.com>

Could anyone recommend a emailing list manager software that runs under OS/2?

TIA...Elliot



From bqncraupv6001 at sneakemail.com  Wed Jul 14 10:52:17 2004
From: bqncraupv6001 at sneakemail.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:52:17 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] mailing list manager?
In-Reply-To: <40F4C25B.3080602@quik.com>
References: <40F4C25B.3080602@quik.com>
Message-ID: <20406-88352@sneakemail.com>

** Reply to message from "elliot elliota at quik.com" on Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:19:23
-0600

> Could anyone recommend a emailing list manager software that runs under OS/2?

Major Major written by Peter Moylan.  He also has an email server.

web site     http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au
email address     peter at ecemail.newcastle.edu.au

-- 
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From dave_yeo at paralynx.com  Wed Jul 14 19:26:26 2004
From: dave_yeo at paralynx.com (Dave Yeo)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:26:26 -0800
Subject: [Discussion] mailing list manager?
Message-ID: <20040715012533.4FCD8B6EA2@joseph.ncoldns.com>

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:19:23 -0600, elliot wrote:

>Could anyone recommend a emailing list manager software that runs under OS/2?

Mailman under Python. Goto http://os2ports.com/lists and click Mailman-OS2 for mailing list archives, subscription info etc
Dave



From talldad at kepl.com.au  Thu Jul 15 00:29:13 2004
From: talldad at kepl.com.au (John Angelico)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:29:13 +1000 (AEST)
Subject: [Discussion] Fwd: [Am-info] Asus Anti-Linux Attitude Sucks-
	MozillaQuest Magazine
Message-ID: <200407150743.i6F7hS629331@mail011.syd.optusnet.com.au>

Multi-forwarded to various lists.

A story with a familiar ring?

How many people have recently had trouble with Asus motherboards?

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
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I've NEVER used Asus because they're not as good as other boards and their 
nasty attitude at tech. support because of Linux. A boycott is in order. They

aren't the only ones who've had this attitude, however, and I have to think 
that MickySoft is behind at least some of it!!

Fred

http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html

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From xe22 at optonline.net  Thu Jul 15 04:12:03 2004
From: xe22 at optonline.net (xe22 at optonline.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:12:03 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Fwd: [Am-info] Asus Anti-Linux Attitude Sucks-
	MozillaQuest Magazine
Message-ID: <2ced002d52d4.2d52d42ced00@optonline.net>




> I've NEVER used Asus because they're not as good as other boards 
> and their 
> nasty attitude at tech. support because of Linux. A boycott is in 
> order. They
> 
> aren't the only ones who've had this attitude, however, and I have 
> to think 
> that MickySoft is behind at least some of it!!
> 
> Fred
> 

Actually, having to run OS/2, Linux and Win98 due to programming
differences, we found VIA chipsets  to be the main cause of ASUS
failures. We had to get a patch from their site just to print and fax, as
the ASUS board had bad ports out of the box. It seems other mfgrs.
are more careful when they release boards, as Asus was the only one
that was useless on startup, and this was using Win98. We are now
paying the extra to run Intel setups only. More bucks, maybe a little
slower but sure far more reliable.

Louis



From stanleys at cybernex.net  Thu Jul 15 06:00:20 2004
From: stanleys at cybernex.net (Stanley Sidlov)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:00:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Discussion] Fwd: [Am-info] Asus Anti-Linux Attitude Sucks-
	MozillaQuest Magazine
In-Reply-To: <2ced002d52d4.2d52d42ced00@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000327688481@admin.nni.com>

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:12:03 -0400, xe22 at optonline.net wrote:

>Actually, having to run OS/2, Linux and Win98 due to programming
>differences, we found VIA chipsets  to be the main cause of ASUS
>failures. We had to get a patch from their site just to print and fax, as
>the ASUS board had bad ports out of the box. It seems other mfgrs.
>are more careful when they release boards, as Asus was the only one
>that was useless on startup, and this was using Win98. We are now
>paying the extra to run Intel setups only. More bucks, maybe a little
>slower but sure far more reliable.

FWIW: I just put eCS 1.1 on a ASUS P4S800 MB. Everything works on the MB, including sound, and it has a SIS 900 
chipset.  The board doesn't have integrated video, and I use a Nivida 5200 in the AGP slot.  





From stanleys at cybernex.net  Thu Jul 15 06:06:32 2004
From: stanleys at cybernex.net (Stanley Sidlov)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:06:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Discussion] Nic search
In-Reply-To: <40F4695D.4040105@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000327689721@admin.nni.com>

The only place that you can find true research is on the http://www.os2warp.be/index2.php?url=aboutus/index2.htm

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:59:41 -0700, Tony Anton wrote:

>I plan to set up a wireless peer to peer connection between my desktop 
>and my notebook. Right now I am looking at Netgear's PCI WAG 311 and 
>Cardbus WG 511.
>
>Does anyone know about drivers for these cards?
>
>TonyA
>
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From robert-kuropkat at comcast.net  Thu Jul 15 10:08:56 2004
From: robert-kuropkat at comcast.net (Robert Kuropkat)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:08:56 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] mailing list manager?
In-Reply-To: <20040715012533.4FCD8B6EA2@joseph.ncoldns.com>
References: <20040715012533.4FCD8B6EA2@joseph.ncoldns.com>
Message-ID: <40F6BA28.4080401@comcast.net>

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
Dave Yeo wrote:

>*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:19:23 -0600, elliot wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Could anyone recommend a emailing list manager software that runs under OS/2?
>>    
>>
>
>Mailman under Python. Goto http://os2ports.com/lists and click Mailman-OS2 for mailing list archives, subscription info etc
>Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>Discussion mailing list
>Discussion at lists.possi.org
>http://lists.possi.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
>  
>


I've been playing with Stalker Software's Communigate Pro 
(http://www.stalker.com) software lately.  It is not free but does have 
a free trial version.  The free trial version only has two limits I know 
of.  It puts a tag line in every email and I believe it is limited to 10 
users.  I don't know for certain about the last as I have no need to go 
beyond that.   I also have not messed with the email lists because I 
have no need for that a this time.  But I do like the email, web mail 
and web space management all rolled into one.

Robert Kuropkat



From johnk at one.net  Sat Jul 17 07:55:58 2004
From: johnk at one.net (John Kozacik)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:55:58 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Fwd: [Am-info] Asus Anti-Linux Attitude Sucks-
	MozillaQuest Magazine
In-Reply-To: <2ced002d52d4.2d52d42ced00@optonline.net>
References: <2ced002d52d4.2d52d42ced00@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <200407171555.i6HFtgRi025200@smtp03.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net>

** Reply to message from xe22 at optonline.net on Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:12:03 -0400

> We are now
> paying the extra to run Intel setups only. More bucks, maybe a little
> slower but sure far more reliable.

Years ago a genuine Intel Plato motherboard cost me a $20K project and about 6
weeks of effort trying to track down the problem - IBM actually gave me all my
money back on the unit after 6 months of use.  One of Intel's engineers
designed a DMA chip used on the board that dropped bits occasionally when
running 32 bit OSs.  It was written up in the Wall Street Journal.  

There are no guarantees.

Cheers,
John Kozacik
Cincinnati, Ohio USA


From talldad at kepl.com.au  Sun Jul 18 23:12:00 2004
From: talldad at kepl.com.au (John Angelico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:12:00 +1000 (AEST)
Subject: [Discussion] Re: [OT Humour] Reg Headlines Monday July 19
In-Reply-To: <E1BmO3V-0000bJ-03@list.theregister.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200407190620.i6J6KXN20620@mail003.syd.optusnet.com.au>

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:39:05 UT, The Register wrote:

>
>     * MSN buys Lookout for Outlook
>       In brief: Search play
>       http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/16/msn_buys_lookout/

Hmm, sounds as if MS has either
a) succumbed to the jokes
or
b) bowed/waved/acknowledged the jokes??

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 Zealot
Melbourne Victoria, AUSTRALIA
Email: talldad at kepl.com.au
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From otavsky at prodigy.net  Mon Jul 19 15:55:08 2004
From: otavsky at prodigy.net (Otavsky)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:55:08 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Re: [OT Humour] Reg Headlines Monday July 19
References: <200407190620.i6J6KXN20620@mail003.syd.optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <40FC514C.3040406@prodigy.net>

I have been using the word "lookout" for a long time when refering to Outlook 
that we use at the office. Some people laugh, some do not get it...

Pavel

John Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:39:05 UT, The Register wrote:
> 
> 
>>    * MSN buys Lookout for Outlook
>>      In brief: Search play
>>      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/16/msn_buys_lookout/
> 
> 
> Hmm, sounds as if MS has either
> a) succumbed to the jokes
> or
> b) bowed/waved/acknowledged the jokes??
> 
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 Zealot
> Melbourne Victoria, AUSTRALIA
> Email: talldad at kepl.com.au
> ------------------------------------------------
> 
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for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization:
Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev,
tear down this wall!" - June 12, 1987
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From jt at jt-mj.net  Mon Jul 19 17:57:50 2004
From: jt at jt-mj.net (Julian Thomas)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:57:50 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Re: [OT Humour] Reg Headlines Monday July 19
In-Reply-To: <40FC514C.3040406@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <200407200100.i6K10kb11454@ruby.fltg.net>

In <40FC514C.3040406 at prodigy.net>, on 07/19/04 
   at 06:55 PM, Otavsky <otavsky at prodigy.net> typed:

> have been using the word "lookout" for a long time when refering to
>Outlook  that we use at the office. Some people laugh, some do not get
>it...

Lookout is kind compared to my preferred "Outhouse Express".
 
-- 
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From stanleys at cybernex.net  Mon Jul 19 19:50:03 2004
From: stanleys at cybernex.net (Stanley Sidlov)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:50:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Discussion] OT: Isn't  Laurent Chavet aka Tim?
Message-ID: <auto-000328954190@admin.nni.com>


Isn't this one of his aliases? Is this the same person? 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/12/altavista_source_code_theft/


Stan Sidlov
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 Warpstock 2004 will be in Denver, Colorado! October 21-24, what are you doing that weekend?

 


 









From ernfisch at cox.net  Mon Jul 19 18:59:54 2004
From: ernfisch at cox.net (Ernie Fisch)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:59:54 -0600
Subject: [Discussion] OT: Isn't  Laurent Chavet aka Tim?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000328954190@admin.nni.com>
Message-ID: <20040720030044.IAPX23423.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@localhost>

In <auto-000328954190 at admin.nni.com>, on 07/19/04 
   at 10:50 PM, "Stanley Sidlov" <stanleys at cybernex.net> said:


>Isn't this one of his aliases? Is this the same person? 

It is at least similar.  I was struck by the similarity myself.


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From 73357.3046 at compuserve.com  Tue Jul 20 03:03:47 2004
From: 73357.3046 at compuserve.com (Stratton McAllister)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:03:47 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Printer switch
Message-ID: <200407200606_MC3-1-86E3-2AF8@compuserve.com>

In our little computer setup here in the house we have a laser printer
(Lexmark Optra S 1625) connected (parallel) to two computers:
 - a PC running Warp 4
 - a Mac running OS 9

They are connected through a Belkin Bitronics mechanical A-B parallel
switch.  This has been working fine.  You just have to push the appropriate
button on the switch before starting the printout from either computer.

However, the switch is in an inconvenient place and I would like to replace
it with an automatic switch - one that switches to the appropriate computer
whenever that computer starts a print job.

For this I bought a Belkin Compact Parallel AutoSwitch to replace the
Bitronics switch.  This works, more or less - but not quite the way I would
like.

When I start a print output from the OS/2 machine, I get the proper output.
However, it is proceeded by a page containing the lines

   %-12345X at PJL RDYMSG DISPLAY = "WordPerfect Job"
   @PJL SET RESOLUTION = 600
   @PJL ENTER LANGUAGE = PCL

and sometimes followed by a page containing

   YMSG DISPLAY = ""
   @PJL RESET

When I print from the Mac, the preceding page contains

   %-12345X at PJL SET TIMEOUT = 300
                                  @PJL SET ORIENTATION = PORTRAIT
                                                                 @PJL SET
RESO

I have not yet seen a following page from the Mac.

Pretty clearly, these are commands to the printer which it should act on
(or ignore, as appropriate) but not print.

Does anyone know how I get the printer not to print these extra pages ?

Many thanks

Stratton


From msnyder1 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jul 20 04:31:57 2004
From: msnyder1 at cfl.rr.com (msnyder1 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:31:57 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] nspr4.dll?
Message-ID: <200407201138.i6KBcWZl017854@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com>

Does anyone know what installs this dll in mozilla, thunderbird,
firefox, and open office?  How does one figure out which version
of it (I have ones with several different dates.) should be used
with which version of the above programs?

I spend some time yesterday installing various versions of
browers in a so far vain attempt to fine one that will work with
a particular web site.  Before I started playing around, Firefox
.8 worked.  Now when I start it I get a message that says that it
can't find nspr4.dll, and suggests that I may have an unsupported
browser.  There is a version of nspr4.dll in its directory.

Thanks for the help.

-- 
_________________________________________________________________________
Regards from the Space Coast.

Mike Snyder
msnyder1 at cfl.rr.com
Crash Often?  Not with eCS.
As of 7:30am this eComStation system had been up for 0 days, 11 hours, and 46 minutes.  It's running 49 processes with 176 threads.

MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.44
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From stanleys at cybernex.net  Tue Jul 20 05:46:26 2004
From: stanleys at cybernex.net (Stanley Sidlov)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:46:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Discussion] Printer switch
In-Reply-To: <200407200606_MC3-1-86E3-2AF8@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000329068787@admin.nni.com>

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:03:47 -0400, Stratton McAllister wrote:

>However, the switch is in an inconvenient place and I would like to replace
>it with an automatic switch - one that switches to the appropriate computer
>whenever that computer starts a print job.

Are these computers networked? If so, for very little money you can put the printers on a 
print server that's independent of the computers, such as a LanReady CP-830 which is a 3 
printer model or the CP-810 which is 1 printer model. I have one of these and we don't 
have the initalization issue you appear to be showing, and the LanReady do Appletalk, too.  

There are still dialup routers that are available too, so that you could share the same 
phone line dialup at the same time too, if you need a little more incentive. SMC7008ABRs 
are still available with current firmware and SMC7004ABRs can be had sometimes new or 
refurbished.  



Stan Sidlov
--
http://www.warpstock.org

 Warpstock 2004 will be in Denver, Colorado! October 21-24, what are you doing that weekend?

 


 









From stanleys at cybernex.net  Tue Jul 20 06:02:59 2004
From: stanleys at cybernex.net (Stanley Sidlov)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:02:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Discussion] nspr4.dll?
In-Reply-To: <200407201138.i6KBcWZl017854@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000329073224@admin.nni.com>

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:31:57 -0400, msnyder1 at cfl.rr.com wrote:

>Does anyone know what installs this dll in mozilla, thunderbird,
>firefox, and open office? 

The installer for the version of the browser. Looking around on my system, I find that it 
appears in each release of the browser, and was in the RC2FIX for moz..

I have versions from 2002 through 6/3/2004, and they range in size from 110542-116156. 

Firefox 0.9.1 has one that dates 6/29/04 and is 195489 -- it's in the zip file for it.  
Stan Sidlov
--
http://www.warpstock.org

 Warpstock 2004 will be in Denver, Colorado! October 21-24, what are you doing that weekend?

 


 









From jt at jt-mj.net  Tue Jul 20 15:46:13 2004
From: jt at jt-mj.net (Julian Thomas)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:46:13 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Printer switch
In-Reply-To: <auto-000329068787@admin.nni.com>
Message-ID: <200407202252.i6KMq3b29808@ruby.fltg.net>

In <auto-000329068787 at admin.nni.com>, on 07/20/04 
   at 08:46 AM, "Stanley Sidlov" <stanleys at cybernex.net> typed:

>There are still dialup routers that are available too, so that you could
>share the same  phone line dialup at the same time too, if you need a
>little more incentive. SMC7008ABRs  are still available with current
>firmware and SMC7004ABRs can be had sometimes new or  refurbished.  

Unfortunately, the print server in the 7004ABR will print a header page
for any print job that comes to it via lprmon.  There's no setting that
you (last time we discussed this issue) or I have found to disable it
(unlike lpd which has a suppress header page flag).

What you can do is use lprmon on one machine and lpd on the other; point
lprmon at the lpd macine and print queue.  I had a writeup in an old ea
about 'peerless printing' that tells how.
 
-- 
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 In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State!
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From stanleys at cybernex.net  Wed Jul 21 04:46:00 2004
From: stanleys at cybernex.net (Stanley Sidlov)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:46:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Discussion] Printer switch
In-Reply-To: <200407202252.i6KMq3b29808@ruby.fltg.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000329362366@admin.nni.com>

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:46:13 -0400, Julian Thomas wrote:

>Unfortunately, the print server in the 7004ABR will print a header page
>for any print job that comes to it via lprmon.  There's no setting that
>you (last time we discussed this issue) or I have found to disable it
>(unlike lpd which has a suppress header page flag).

I moved beyond this with a printer server that's bidirectional. I only mentioned the SMC's 
for their ability to DIAL-UP if that's what he uses to connect. 

Stan Sidlov
--
http://www.warpstock.org

 Warpstock 2004 will be in Denver, Colorado! October 21-24, what are you doing that weekend?

 


 









From 73357.3046 at compuserve.com  Wed Jul 21 04:22:01 2004
From: 73357.3046 at compuserve.com (Stratton McAllister)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:22:01 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Printer switch
Message-ID: <200407210725_MC3-1-86FC-E373@compuserve.com>

>>
Are these computers networked? 
>>
Well, I do have them both connected to the house-wide ethernet setup and I 
have both Dave and Virtual PC installed on the Mac, but I have never been 
able to get the Mac to talk with the OS/2 machines very satisfactorily.  It 
does work somewhat - better with the Windows machines - but not so it's been 
worth the effort.

>>
If so, for very little money you can put the printers on a print server 
that's independent of the computers, such as a LanReady CP-830 which is a 3 
printer model or the CP-810 which is 1 printer model. I have one of these and 
we don't have the initalization issue you appear to be showing, and the 
LanReady do Appletalk, too.  
>>
Now, it hadn't occurred to me to try this.  I've just sort of given up trying 
to make the Mac work on the network.  But this would be independent of the 
computers talking to each other.  Maybe it could work.  I'll have a look.

But right now, I'd really like to make the parallel autoswitch work.  It 
should, if I could only figure out how to eliminate the extra printing.  I 
have the feeling there must be some setting I need in the printer.  But what?

Thanks, Stan

Stratton


From stanleys at cybernex.net  Wed Jul 21 06:39:47 2004
From: stanleys at cybernex.net (Stanley Sidlov)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:39:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Discussion] Printer switch
In-Reply-To: <200407210725_MC3-1-86FC-E373@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000329388955@admin.nni.com>

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:22:01 -0400, Stratton McAllister wrote:

>If so, for very little money you can put the printers on a print server 
>that's independent of the computers, such as a LanReady CP-830 which is a 3 
>printer model or the CP-810 which is 1 printer model. I have one of these and 
>we don't have the initalization issue you appear to be showing, and the 
>LanReady do Appletalk, too.  
>>>
>Now, it hadn't occurred to me to try this.  I've just sort of given up trying 
>to make the Mac work on the network.  But this would be independent of the 
>computers talking to each other.  Maybe it could work.  I'll have a look.
>
>But right now, I'd really like to make the parallel autoswitch work.  It 
>should, if I could only figure out how to eliminate the extra printing.  I 
>have the feeling there must be some setting I need in the printer.  But what?

What is happening is that as each computer regains contact with the printer it's sending 
some Postscript commands to it. 

>When I start a print output from the OS/2 machine, I get the proper output.
>However, it is proceeded by a page containing the lines
>
>   %-12345X at PJL RDYMSG DISPLAY = "WordPerfect Job"
>   @PJL SET RESOLUTION = 600
>   @PJL ENTER LANGUAGE = PCL
>

This command is a SmartSwitch setting which may be coming from Wordperfect or from the 
OS/2 printer setup. I suspect Wordperfect although you must be using a fairly recent 
version.... IT's telling the printer what the print parameters are. I wonder however if 
the OSes detect that the printer has gone offline when it's not connected. Do these things 
print for EVERY job or only the first job from a computer? If you print more than once, 
does the second job have the same pages?

Here's what you can try I pulled out the manual on the web:

 PS and PCL Smartswitch settings on the printer. Are they on or off? These can be in 
several places, including the Parallel, Network, and the LocalTalk menu.  If you turn the 
PCL OFF, I believe that the printer will not accept settings changes from the computers 
and use the PCL settings you set on the printer.

I still think it would be best to get a CP-810 and not have to switch the units at all.  

Stan Sidlov
--
http://www.warpstock.org

 Warpstock 2004 will be in Denver, Colorado! October 21-24, what are you doing that weekend?

 


 









From billn at ywave.com  Wed Jul 21 12:20:05 2004
From: billn at ywave.com (billn%)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:20:05 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] OS/2 EXE Programs
References: <courier.40FEBD3A.00004130@mail.epackage.net>
Message-ID: <40FEC1E5.5682EA03@ywave.com>

Every time I look thru the OS/2 system (and eCS), I find long lists of
*.exe that have *almost* meaningful names, with nary a document in
sight.

Is there a place where these miscellaneous exes are identified, at least
the stand alone ones?

Does anybody have a list they can share?

TIA,

BillN


From stanleys at cybernex.net  Wed Jul 21 13:26:19 2004
From: stanleys at cybernex.net (Stanley Sidlov)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:26:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Discussion] looking for Ray Morrison
Message-ID: <auto-000329507396@admin.nni.com>


I need to email Ray Morrison  anyone see him post?



From jt at jt-mj.net  Wed Jul 21 17:59:50 2004
From: jt at jt-mj.net (Julian Thomas)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:59:50 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] wav file doesn't work in eCS
Message-ID: <200407220125.i6M1Pab12429@ruby.fltg.net>

Someone sent me a wav file that has a mime type:  audio/microsoft-wave
base64

Plays nicely in W2k using Realplayer.

Trying to play it (using play.cmd) throws this error:

MciCmd= OPEN CRS.WAV  ALIAS REXXALIAS WAIT
Err:mciRxSendString RC= 5006 1
mciRxGetErrorString(5006) = Hardware error.

The first few bytes of the file are:

RIFFR<['04'x '00'x]WAVEfmt

as opposed to:

RIFFx? ['0000'x]WAVEfmt   for one that plays nicely.

Has mickeysoft done it to us again?

I can send the file on request, but it's a bit raunchy - you have been
warned!

 
-- 
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 Windows, `GPF' was better known for its usage in plumbing:
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From steve53 at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 21 21:09:25 2004
From: steve53 at earthlink.net (Steven Levine)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:09:25 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] wav file doesn't work in eCS
In-Reply-To: <200407220125.i6M1Pab12429@ruby.fltg.net>
Message-ID: <E1BnUy1-000652-00@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

In <200407220125.i6M1Pab12429 at ruby.fltg.net>, on 07/21/04 
   at 08:59 PM, "Julian Thomas" <jt at jt-mj.net> said:

>MciCmd= OPEN CRS.WAV  ALIAS REXXALIAS WAIT
>Err:mciRxSendString RC= 5006 1
>mciRxGetErrorString(5006) = Hardware error.

This is saying you don't have a MMOS2 codec installed that understands the
format.  This is not at all unusual since the file name extension of a
media file says very little about the code that's needed to play the file. 
I've seen files named .wav which where divx inside.

>I can send the file on request, but it's a bit raunchy - you have been
>warned!

If you send the file my way, I'll see if I have an OS/2 codec that
understands the content.

Steven

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From steve53 at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 22 09:51:30 2004
From: steve53 at earthlink.net (Steven Levine)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:51:30 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] wav file doesn't work in eCS
In-Reply-To: <200407220125.i6M1Pab12429@ruby.fltg.net>
Message-ID: <E1Bngsl-0003o3-00@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

In <200407220125.i6M1Pab12429 at ruby.fltg.net>, on 07/21/04 
   at 08:59 PM, "Julian Thomas" <jt at jt-mj.net> said:

Got the file.  It is mpeg3 audio, so none of the standard Warp codecs will
handle it.  Warpvision plays it OK.  RealPlayer under Odin plays it too,
but with no volume, but my Realplayer set up is old.

HTH,

Steven

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From isaxe at attglobal.net  Thu Jul 22 12:37:01 2004
From: isaxe at attglobal.net (Ira N. Saxe)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:37:01 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] eCom 1.1 Installation
Message-ID: <4100175D.26F7CCE9@attglobal.net>

I just bought eCom 1.1 and want to install it, in addition to my present
W98 and OS/2 Warp 5.2.  I want to put it on 4 (E: for OS/2) as listed
below for the present disk partitions.


1. 4000 MB  C: for W98   FAT 32  Primary
2. 4000 MB  C: for OS/2  HPFS    Primary  Startable 
3. 2000 MB  D: for both  FAT 16  Logical
4. 3059 MB  E: for OS/2  HPFS    Logical
5. 3059 MB  E: for W98   FAT 32  Logical

I've assumed that I must do the following:
a. Format 4 as an LVM partition.
b. Install the IBM Boot Manager, in place of the present Power
Boot           
   3.0.10.
c. Install eCom 1.1.
 
I've booted eCom from the CD but have not been able to do even a.  Any
help will be appreciated.  Regards, Ira Saxe



From dlswoodall at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 22 16:40:12 2004
From: dlswoodall at sbcglobal.net (Don{ald} O. Woodall)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:40:12 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] eCom 1.1 Installation
In-Reply-To: <4100175D.26F7CCE9@attglobal.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.620.1220301619.20322.discussion@lists.possi.org>

In <4100175D.26F7CCE9 at attglobal.net>, on 07/22/2004 
   at 03:37 PM, "Ira N. Saxe" <isaxe at attglobal.net> said:

>I just bought eCom 1.1 and want to install it, in addition to my present
>W98 and OS/2 Warp 5.2.  I want to put it on 4 (E: for OS/2) as listed
>below for the present disk partitions.


>1. 4000 MB  C: for W98   FAT 32  Primary
>2. 4000 MB  C: for OS/2  HPFS    Primary  Startable 
>3. 2000 MB  D: for both  FAT 16  Logical
>4. 3059 MB  E: for OS/2  HPFS    Logical
>5. 3059 MB  E: for W98   FAT 32  Logical

>I've assumed that I must do the following:
>a. Format 4 as an LVM partition.
>b. Install the IBM Boot Manager, in place of the present Power Boot          

>   3.0.10.
>c. Install eCom 1.1.
> 
>I've booted eCom from the CD but have not been able to do even a.  Any
>help will be appreciated.  Regards, Ira Saxe

Ira

 1.  Do you have a copy of DFSEE? Version 5.56, or newer?

     If you do, running the command "DFSEE /QUERY"
and posting the especially designed report, it is only
70 card columns wide, might be helpful.

 2.  Boot Manager

     You do not show any thing about Boot Manager.

     If you have a Warp 4 ( Fdisk ) Boot Manager, you are
going to need to delete it and to install Boot Manager from
the eCS 1.1 installation CD.

     The new Boot Manager will be LVM aware, which the old
one is not LVM aware.

 3.  no, No, NO, NO! - Do NOT create an LVM volume!

     An LVM Volume is only to be used with the JFS file
system, basically.

     You will want to create " Compatibility Volumes " from
your existing partitions.

     If you would like, I could send you a collection of
text files I made depicting all the installation screens
I went through on my "Advanced" SCSI installation.

     HTH


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From esther at bitranch.com  Thu Jul 22 18:10:58 2004
From: esther at bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:10:58 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] OT: Isn't  Laurent Chavet aka Tim?
In-Reply-To: <20040720030044.IAPX23423.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@localhost>
References: <20040720030044.IAPX23423.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@localhost>
Message-ID: <27B4E906-DC45-11D8-B450-003065CCA196@bitranch.com>

On Jul 19, 2004, at 6:59 PM, Ernie Fisch wrote:
>  "Stanley Sidlov" <stanleys at cybernex.net> said:
>> Isn't this one of his aliases? Is this the same person?
> It is at least similar.  I was struck by the similarity myself.

I checked the comp.os.os2.* groups. "Tim Martin" was still posting as 
of a few days ago.

It's a heck of a coincidence. Didn't "Tim" claim to be sponsored by 
Larry Chauvet?



From dave_yeo at paralynx.com  Thu Jul 22 19:42:32 2004
From: dave_yeo at paralynx.com (Dave Yeo)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:42:32 -0800
Subject: [Discussion] www.warpstock.org is spam???
Message-ID: <20040723014230.60E60B94D3@joseph.ncoldns.com>

My ISP has contracted with supernews (supernews.com) for usenet. Today I tried to 
post a follow up to the netscape.public.mozilla.os2 newsgroup and my post got 
rejected due to someone in the thread having www.warpstock.org in their signature. 
Very strange. Deleting the www.warpstock.org line allowed the post to be posted
Dave




From dave_yeo at paralynx.com  Thu Jul 22 19:47:30 2004
From: dave_yeo at paralynx.com (Dave Yeo)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:47:30 -0800
Subject: [Discussion] OT: Isn't  Laurent Chavet aka Tim?
Message-ID: <20040723014825.9A74DB92B6@joseph.ncoldns.com>

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:10:58 -0700, Esther Schindler wrote:

>On Jul 19, 2004, at 6:59 PM, Ernie Fisch wrote:
>>  "Stanley Sidlov" <stanleys at cybernex.net> said:
>>> Isn't this one of his aliases? Is this the same person?
>> It is at least similar.  I was struck by the similarity myself.
>
>I checked the comp.os.os2.* groups. "Tim Martin" was still posting as 
>of a few days ago.
>
>It's a heck of a coincidence. Didn't "Tim" claim to be sponsored by 
>Larry Chauvet?

Its been awhile but IIRC he claimed to be a Chauvet, not just sponsered by them. And I did have the misfortune of seeing a post by him just a couple of days ago. He has become even more obnoxious. Thank God for filters <gr>
Dave



From 73357.3046 at compuserve.com  Fri Jul 23 03:06:24 2004
From: 73357.3046 at compuserve.com (Stratton McAllister)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:06:24 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Printer switch
Message-ID: <200407230607_MC3-1-872B-9432@compuserve.com>

>>
>When I start a print output from the OS/2 machine, I get the proper output.
>However, it is proceeded by a page containing the lines
>
>   %-12345X at PJL RDYMSG DISPLAY = "WordPerfect Job"
>   @PJL SET RESOLUTION = 600
>   @PJL ENTER LANGUAGE = PCL
>

This command is a SmartSwitch setting which may be coming from Wordperfect or 
from the OS/2 printer setup. I suspect Wordperfect although you must be using 
a fairly recent version.... 
<<
It's an ancient version (DOS 6.0a).

>>
IT's telling the printer what the print parameters are. I wonder however if 
the OSes detect that the printer has gone offline when it's not connected. Do 
these things print for EVERY job or only the first job from a computer? If 
you print more than once, does the second job have the same pages?
<<
Yes, they print for each job from each computer.

>>
Here's what you can try I pulled out the manual on the web:

 PS and PCL Smartswitch settings on the printer. Are they on or off? These 
can be in several places, including the Parallel, Network, and the LocalTalk 
menu.  If you turn the PCL OFF, I believe that the printer will not accept 
settings changes from the computers and use the PCL settings you set on the 
printer.
<<
Yes, there are SmartSwitch settings, and both have been set to On.  Sounds 
like the sort of think I'm looking for.  Unfortunately, setting them to Off 
doesn't have any effect I've been able to detect.  The extra pages are still 
printed.

>>
I still think it would be best to get a CP-810 and not have to switch the 
units at all.  
<<
I don't disagree.  But for now I just want to get the autoswitch working.

Many thanks

Stratton


From otavsky at prodigy.net  Fri Jul 23 04:40:56 2004
From: otavsky at prodigy.net (Otavsky)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:40:56 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] OT: Isn't  Laurent Chavet aka Tim?
References: <20040723014825.9A74DB92B6@joseph.ncoldns.com>
Message-ID: <4100F948.7050009@prodigy.net>

I never heard of him, so I ran a quick search. Here is an interesting link:
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:9DvWu-F4d-sJ:tmfaq.servehttp.com/TMFaq+tim+martin&hl=en

This guy is either crazy or he is a Microsoft "sleeper agent", left over from 
the "Operating Systems Cold War". Ignoring him should be the best.

Pavel



Dave Yeo wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:10:58 -0700, Esther Schindler wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Jul 19, 2004, at 6:59 PM, Ernie Fisch wrote:
>>
>>> "Stanley Sidlov" <stanleys at cybernex.net> said:
>>>
>>>>Isn't this one of his aliases? Is this the same person?
>>>
>>>It is at least similar.  I was struck by the similarity myself.
>>
>>I checked the comp.os.os2.* groups. "Tim Martin" was still posting as 
>>of a few days ago.
>>
>>It's a heck of a coincidence. Didn't "Tim" claim to be sponsored by 
>>Larry Chauvet?
> 
> 
> Its been awhile but IIRC he claimed to be a Chauvet, not just sponsered by them. And I did have the misfortune of seeing a post by him just a couple of days ago. He has become even more obnoxious. Thank God for filters <gr>
> Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discussion mailing list
> Discussion at lists.possi.org
> http://lists.possi.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
> 


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______________________________________________________________________
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great honor of allowing me to serve as your president. When the Lord
calls me home, whenever that day may be, I will leave with the greatest
love for this country of ours and eternal optimism for its future.
I now begin the journey that will lead me into the sunset of my life.
I know that for America there will always be a bright dawn ahead.
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______________________________________________________________________




From brueggemail-list at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 24 08:17:12 2004
From: brueggemail-list at yahoo.com (brueggemail-list at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:17:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Discussion] Test Post
In-Reply-To: <27B4E906-DC45-11D8-B450-003065CCA196@bitranch.com>
Message-ID: <20040724151712.62922.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>

Testing new ISP


From mckinnis at sandia.net  Sat Jul 24 07:45:54 2004
From: mckinnis at sandia.net (Chuck McKinnis)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:45:54 -0600
Subject: [Discussion] Test Post
In-Reply-To: <20040724151712.62922.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <27B4E906-DC45-11D8-B450-003065CCA196@bitranch.com>
	<20040724151712.62922.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200407241528.i6OFSYV19704@home.7cities.net>

** Reply to message from brueggemail-list at yahoo.com on Sat, 24 Jul 2004
08:17:12 -0700 (PDT)

Is this Mark Brueggerman?

Chuck McKinnis
Covenant Solutions
http://pws.prserv.net/mckinnis/
505-286-3191

What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch - W.C. Fields


From 73357.3046 at compuserve.com  Mon Jul 26 03:04:51 2004
From: 73357.3046 at compuserve.com (Stratton McAllister)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:04:51 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] eCS/OS2/PC mail lists
Message-ID: <200407260606_MC3-1-874C-6232@compuserve.com>

With the imminent demise of Compuserve forums as we know them (with an
offline reader like TapCIS or Oz) the question naturally arises  Where else
does one go for good PC information ?

For OS/2 and eCommStation I've found this Possi Discussion list very
helpful but can't help feeling I should be looking further.  Some time soon
I'll be buying new computers and in the process finally converting from
Warp to eCS. It seems to me I should start following some of the other
lists around.

I've tried several newsgroups and haven't found them very useful.  What
other mail lists (besides Possi) do the people here follow ?  What other
internet facilities do you find you use ?

Many thanks for any suggestions.

Stratton


From bokeny at attglobal.net  Mon Jul 26 03:47:00 2004
From: bokeny at attglobal.net (bokeny at attglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:47:00 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] eCS/OS2/PC mail lists
In-Reply-To: <200407260606_MC3-1-874C-6232@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.621.1220301619.20322.discussion@lists.possi.org>

In <200407260606_MC3-1-874C-6232 at compuserve.com>, on 07/26/2004 
   at 06:04 AM, Stratton McAllister <73357.3046 at compuserve.com> said:

>With the imminent demise of Compuserve forums as we know them (with an
>offline reader like TapCIS or Oz) the question naturally arises  Where
>else does one go for good PC information ?

>For OS/2 and eCommStation I've found this Possi Discussion list very
>helpful but can't help feeling I should be looking further.  Some time
>soon I'll be buying new computers and in the process finally converting
>from Warp to eCS. It seems to me I should start following some of the
>other lists around.

>I've tried several newsgroups and haven't found them very useful.  What
>other mail lists (besides Possi) do the people here follow ?  What
>other internet facilities do you find you use ?

Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/ and search for eCS and OS/2.  You will
find many.


--
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OS/2 Warp 4 / eCS 1.1 - MR/2 ICE V2.41 #20296
FAPCUG - POSSI - SCOUG - TOUG - VOICE
Fayetteville, North Carolina




From brueggemail-list at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 06:47:31 2004
From: brueggemail-list at yahoo.com (brueggemail-list at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:47:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Discussion] eCS Website Login Help
In-Reply-To: <200407241528.i6OFSYV19704@home.7cities.net>
Message-ID: <20040726134731.18938.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>



> Is this Mark Brueggerman?

If you're a deputy trying to give me a subpoena, then
no.  Otherwise, yes.

My ISP got bought out, and they changed my outgoing
mail address.  I could receive messages from the
various lists I susbscribe to, but since my "from"
address was different, I couldn't post.  POSSI was one
of the easier ones to deal with, but a few I had to
email the sysop to unsub me, so I could resub with a
new address.  What a PITA.  Went with a paid Yahoo
account but my current ISP doesn't let me smtp through
them to Yahoo, so I have to use the web mail client to
send mail.  More PITA.  I miss Post Road Mailer.  I
*do* like Yahoo's disposable email address feature,
and my spam level has dropped to just a few a day
compared to a hundred or more a day previously.

Since I have everyone's attention, I can't log in to
the eCS website anymore.  Sez in the FAQ to mail
whoever sold you your copy of eCS to fix the login
info.  I pre-ordered eCS through Prism, now I guess
they're ecomstation.biz.  Emails to them bounce.  Any
idea how I can get my login fixed/restored or is my
1.0 registration expired, or what?

Thanks,


Mark Brueggemann
Albuquerque, NM


From dlswoodall at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 26 09:20:37 2004
From: dlswoodall at sbcglobal.net (Don{ald} O. Woodall)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:20:37 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] eCS Website Login Help
In-Reply-To: <20040726134731.18938.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.622.1220301619.20322.discussion@lists.possi.org>

In <20040726134731.18938.qmail at web61309.mail.yahoo.com>, on 07/26/2004 
   at 06:47 AM, brueggemail-list at yahoo.com said:

>the eCS website anymore.  Sez in the FAQ to mail
>whoever sold you your copy of eCS to fix the login
>info.  I pre-ordered eCS through Prism, now I guess
>they're ecomstation.biz.  Emails to them bounce.  Any
>idea how I can get my login fixed/restored or is my
>1.0 registration expired, or what?

>Mark Brueggemann

Mark

     Try one of the following:

               * email: info at mensys.nl
                        support at mensys.nl
               * email: ecomstation at mensys.nl

     HTH

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From bill at bitranch.com  Mon Jul 26 11:14:49 2004
From: bill at bitranch.com (Bill Schindler)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:14:49 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] Coincidence?
Message-ID: <AEF44647-DF2F-11D8-AE93-000A95967A08@bitranch.com>

Consider this:

There's a little discussion about Tim/Chauvent/Chavet coming into the 
weekend. As of about 9:00am this morning there's approximately 50 virus 
delivery attempts per hour aimed at this list. And that doesn't include 
the rather sudden bump up to several hundred spams/hour aimed at 
discussion. (One hour this morning equals about three months of normal 
virus and spam traffic aimed at the entire possi.org domain.)

Anyone want to argue that it's a coincidence? ;-)

(Julian, if anything is leaking through to your admin account, give me 
a shout -- I'll start blacklisting IPs.)

--Bill



From bqncraupv6001 at sneakemail.com  Mon Jul 26 15:30:21 2004
From: bqncraupv6001 at sneakemail.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:30:21 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] eCS Website Login Help
In-Reply-To: <20040726134731.18938.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <200407241528.i6OFSYV19704@home.7cities.net>
	<20040726134731.18938.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <13195-92979@sneakemail.com>

** Reply to message from "brueggemail-list at yahoo.com" on Mon, 26 Jul 2004
06:47:31 -0700 (PDT)

> I miss Post Road Mailer.

Try Polarbar.  It was originally written by the same people that did Post Raod
Mailer.  Since then it has gone freeware and it has been updated.

-- 
Robert Blair


From scarter at hticn.com  Mon Jul 26 16:38:48 2004
From: scarter at hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:38:48 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [Discussion] Coincidence?
In-Reply-To: <AEF44647-DF2F-11D8-AE93-000A95967A08@bitranch.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.623.1220301619.20322.discussion@lists.possi.org>

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:14:49 -0700, Bill Schindler wrote:
>Consider this:
>
>There's a little discussion about Tim/Chauvent/Chavet coming into the 
>weekend. As of about 9:00am this morning there's approximately 50 virus 
>delivery attempts per hour aimed at this list. And that doesn't include 
>the rather sudden bump up to several hundred spams/hour aimed at 
>discussion. (One hour this morning equals about three months of normal 
>virus and spam traffic aimed at the entire possi.org domain.)
>
>Anyone want to argue that it's a coincidence? ;-)

Several other lists I'm on have been flooded with virus-laden
messages in the past week.  In two cases so far the cause has turned
out to be an unwitting subscriber with an infected Windows computer.

For the virus messages hitting the POSSI list, it might be revealing
to check the bottommost "Received:" line in the headers and correlate
the originating ISPs of the viruses being sent with the ISPs of
subscribers.  Could be someone's Windows box is infected.

And if it does turn out to be Chauvent/Chavet behind the attack,
there's something surreally ironic about a Microsoft proponent
exploiting defects in Microsoft products to attack a generally
Microsoft-hostile group.


-- Stephen Carter
   scarter at hticn.com
   Nagoya, Japan




From jsandercock at rcn.com  Mon Jul 26 16:40:22 2004
From: jsandercock at rcn.com (John Sandercock)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:40:22 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Repartitioning an IBM preloads
Message-ID: <41059666.5060006@rcn.com>

Please forgive the post from XP. 
I have a new (refurbished) IBM NetVista with a NTFS partition and a 
small Restore partition.
 The NTFS partition will not let DFSee resize it, and I remember from 
earlier posts that ThinkPad owners had to blow away all the existing 
partitions and start over in order to partition their IBM-preloaded hard 
drives for multiple operating systems.  All of those folks seem to have 
reinstalled XP from a CD.
Has anyone ever deleted the main NTFS partition, resized it, and then 
reinstalled XP from a Restore partition before installing eCS?
Thanks and regards,
John Sandercock


From scarter at hticn.com  Mon Jul 26 17:58:03 2004
From: scarter at hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:58:03 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [Discussion] Repartitioning an IBM preloads
In-Reply-To: <41059666.5060006@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.624.1220301619.20322.discussion@lists.possi.org>

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:40:22 -0400, John Sandercock wrote:
>Has anyone ever deleted the main NTFS partition, resized it, and then 
>reinstalled XP from a Restore partition before installing eCS?

The recovery CD for my ThinkPad T23 doesn't install Windows XP
directly -- it first creates the Restore partition, and then installs
XP from the Recovery partition, incidentally obliterating all other
partitions on the hard disk.  This makes it pointless to try to
resize the NTFS partition before installing XP from the Recovery
partition.

On my T23, however, the installation from the Recovery partition uses
FAT for the initial installation of XP, and doesn't convert the
partition to NTFS until the final reboot of the installation process.
 If your setup works the same way, then you can interrupt the XP
installation before the final reboot, boot instead to a floppy or CD
with DFSee (or whatever) and use it to resize the XP partition while
it's still FAT, and then continue with the final XP reboot that
converts the FAT partition to NTFS.  (And after that, use LVM to
partition the rest of the hard drive and install eCS.)

Good luck!


-- Stephen Carter
   scarter at hticn.com
   Nagoya, Japan




From stanleys at cybernex.net  Mon Jul 26 18:02:05 2004
From: stanleys at cybernex.net (Stanley Sidlov)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:02:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Discussion] Repartitioning an IBM preloads
In-Reply-To: <41059666.5060006@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000330921347@admin.nni.com>

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:40:22 -0400, John Sandercock wrote:

>Has anyone ever deleted the main NTFS partition, resized it, and then 
>reinstalled XP from a Restore partition before installing eCS?

yes, you can do this.  But IBM's XP installations appear to be set to change from FAT32 to NTFS when activated. 

SO, you can blow away the partition, Create 3 partitions with BootManager (a new version like that in eCS) in the 
third partition next to the restore Partition, and two other partitions or OS/2 and XP.  Leave the very first one for XP, as 
that's where the restore Partition expects it to be. You cold make them smaller to get another partition for data. See:

 Disk Partition             Size (MB)    Type     Status       Logical Volume
                                                                             
IBM Preload                	 18501  Primary   In use       XP Pro
[ BOOT MANAGER ]                7  Primary   In use
eCS                         	18589  Primary   In use       eCS
IBM RebuildXP          	  1055  Primary   In use       IBM RebuildXP
	



From stanleys at cybernex.net  Mon Jul 26 18:17:02 2004
From: stanleys at cybernex.net (Stanley Sidlov)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:17:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Discussion] Coincidence?
In-Reply-To: <AEF44647-DF2F-11D8-AE93-000A95967A08@bitranch.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000330924140@admin.nni.com>

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:14:49 -0700, Bill Schindler wrote:

>Anyone want to argue that it's a coincidence? ;-)

well, I been getting strange virus ridden email today, that says its from my ISP (that I use for this list).  So many of 
them and the headers are perfect. I called the ISP to ask, and they said they were getting thousands of them an 
hour on many of their accounts, and they were adjusting their spam and virus filters to stop it.  

I started the topic, but the ISP is getting tons of stuff....







From jt at jt-mj.net  Mon Jul 26 18:37:47 2004
From: jt at jt-mj.net (Julian Thomas)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:37:47 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Repartitioning an IBM preloads
In-Reply-To: <41059666.5060006@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <200407270142.i6R1gIb27023@ruby.fltg.net>

In <41059666.5060006 at rcn.com>, on 07/26/04 
   at 07:40 PM, John Sandercock <jsandercock at rcn.com> typed:

>The NTFS partition will not let DFSee resize it, and I remember from 
>earlier posts that ThinkPad owners had to blow away all the existing 
>partitions and start over in order to partition their IBM-preloaded hard 
>drives for multiple operating systems.  All of those folks seem to have 
>reinstalled XP from a CD.

Try to borrow beg borrow or steal a copy of Partition magic - 7 .01 worked
for me and was cheap on eBay a while back - it will resize where DFS
won't.  I've used it on both a W2k boot partition on a T23 and then on a
XP partition (NTFS) on a HP Pavilion.

But once you have resized the partition, do not go near the machine again
with PQMagic.  It messes up LVM info bigtime.
 
-- 
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From jt at jt-mj.net  Mon Jul 26 18:56:04 2004
From: jt at jt-mj.net (Julian Thomas)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:56:04 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] Repartitioning an IBM preloads
In-Reply-To: <200407270142.i6R1gIb27023@ruby.fltg.net>
Message-ID: <200407270158.i6R1wGb30879@ruby.fltg.net>

In <200407270142.i6R1gIb27023 at ruby.fltg.net>, on 07/26/04 
   at 09:37 PM, "Julian Thomas" <jt at jt-mj.net> typed:

>Try to borrow beg borrow or steal a copy of Partition magic

er make that Beg borrow buy or steal....
 
-- 
 Julian Thomas:   jt at jt-mj.net    http://jt-mj.net
 In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State!
 Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc  http://www.possi.org
 -- --
 This computer ain't junk.  This is an antique!





From bqncraupv6001 at sneakemail.com  Mon Jul 26 19:18:58 2004
From: bqncraupv6001 at sneakemail.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:18:58 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] Repartitioning an IBM preloads
In-Reply-To: <41059666.5060006@rcn.com>
References: <41059666.5060006@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <5524-66758@sneakemail.com>

** Reply to message from "John Sandercock jsandercock at rcn.com" on Mon, 26 Jul
2004 19:40:22 -0400

> I have a new (refurbished) IBM NetVista with a NTFS partition and a 
> small Restore partition.
>  The NTFS partition will not let DFSee resize it, and I remember from 
> earlier posts that ThinkPad owners had to blow away all the existing 
> partitions and start over in order to partition their IBM-preloaded hard 
> drives for multiple operating systems.  All of those folks seem to have 
> reinstalled XP from a CD.

It depends on the restore/recover software.  On one machine (an older Thinkpad)
the restore did an fdisk and set the entire disk to a single partition and then
restored.  On my new Thinkpad I tried to resize the NTFS partition with DFSEE
but then XP would not boot.  I then use DFSEE to make the partitions I wanted
and then did the restore of XP which went to the c: partition but did not
change the size of the partition.

-- 
Robert Blair


From steve53 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 26 19:08:21 2004
From: steve53 at earthlink.net (Steven Levine)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:08:21 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] Coincidence?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000330924140@admin.nni.com>
Message-ID: <E1BpHZ8-0005xy-00@goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

In <auto-000330924140 at admin.nni.com>, on 07/26/04 
   at 09:17 PM, "Stanley Sidlov" <stanleys at cybernex.net> said:

>perfect. I called the ISP to ask, and they said they were getting
>thousands of them an  hour on many of their accounts, and they were
>adjusting their spam and virus filters to stop it.  

These started to show up on the SCOUG lists last week.  Earthlink's spam
blocker deleted the virus bodies from the get go.  As you say the headers
are almost perfect.  The From address is a valid user and the To: is the
mailing list.  The only give away in the headers is the sending IP is
somewhere in Mexico.

Based on the subject header, I suspect it's W32.Beagle.Y at mm or a variant.

Steven

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From bill at bitranch.com  Mon Jul 26 19:39:06 2004
From: bill at bitranch.com (Bill Schindler)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:39:06 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] Coincidence?
In-Reply-To: <courier.41059D54.00000752@mail.epackage.net>
References: <courier.41059D54.00000752@mail.epackage.net>
Message-ID: <2175AF79-DF76-11D8-AE93-000A95967A08@bitranch.com>

> For the virus messages hitting the POSSI list, it might be revealing
> to check the bottommost "Received:" line in the headers and correlate
> the originating ISPs of the viruses being sent with the ISPs of
> subscribers.  Could be someone's Windows box is infected.

We bounce viruses at the server during the smtp transaction. So there's 
no headers to look at -- the message never makes it on the system. But 
we do log the originating IP and envelope sender. I haven't yet tried 
to mine the logs for patterns.

Over the course of the day, there were about 400 viruses sent to the 
list. The other 350+ accounts on the same mail server saw about 20. 
Kind of a strange pattern until you realize that this particular virus 
uses the search engines to find email victims. A list with a public 
archive is going to show up a *lot* on that kind of search.

> And if it does turn out to be Chauvent/Chavet behind the attack,
> there's something surreally ironic about a Microsoft proponent
> exploiting defects in Microsoft products to attack a generally
> Microsoft-hostile group.

It's the massive bump in spam that's more interesting in this case. If 
I get some time, I may sift through the logs and see if there any 
patterns.

--Bill



From steve53 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 26 19:20:27 2004
From: steve53 at earthlink.net (Steven Levine)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:20:27 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] Repartitioning an IBM preloads
In-Reply-To: <41059666.5060006@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <E1BpHvr-0007Zt-00@conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

In <41059666.5060006 at rcn.com>, on 07/26/04 
   at 07:40 PM, John Sandercock <jsandercock at rcn.com> said:

> The NTFS partition will not let DFSee resize it, and I remember from 
>earlier posts that ThinkPad owners had to blow away all the existing 
>partitions and start over in order to partition their IBM-preloaded hard 
>drives for multiple operating systems.  All of those folks seem to have 
>reinstalled XP from a CD.
>Has anyone ever deleted the main NTFS partition, resized it, and then 
>reinstalled XP from a Restore partition before installing eCS?

Yes.  I did this for a SCOUG member at our last live help desk.  The
victim was a T41, but the procedure should be the same.

Since we were prepared to reinstall, I forced dfsee to chop off the NTFS
partition on the off chance that all that was left at the end of the
partition was directory bands.  This was not the case.

Use your tool of choice to repartition and resize.  We used a combination
of an eCS 1.2 beta CD and dfsee.  Your eCS 1.1 CD will work just fine.

The procedure is:

 - Blow away the NTFS C:. (This may be optional).
 - Boot to the WinXP recovery partition.
 - Let it do it's thing to format C: as FAT32 and copy the files into
place.
 - When the recovery code reboots, interrupt the process.
   It's time to resize the FAT32 partition.
 - If you are booting from the eCS CD and using Dani's drivers, add
     /A:0 /U:0 /!SETMAX
   parameters.  You don't need these parameters for the IBM drivers.
 - Use dfsee to resize the FAT32 C: to something reasonable.
 - Reboot WinXP and let it finish the install and convert C: to NTFS
 - When this is finally finished, boot the eCS CD.
 - Add BM after the NTFS C: primary.
 - Create whatever volumes you want and install eCS.

HTH,

Steven

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From steve53 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 26 19:44:03 2004
From: steve53 at earthlink.net (Steven Levine)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:44:03 -0700
Subject: [Discussion] Repartitioning an IBM preloads
In-Reply-To: <5524-66758@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <E1BpI0C-0000bc-00@conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

In <5524-66758 at sneakemail.com>, on 07/26/04 
   at 07:18 PM, "Bob" <bqncraupv6001 at sneakemail.com> said:

>Thinkpad) the restore did an fdisk and set the entire disk to a single
>partition and then restored.  On my new Thinkpad I tried to resize the
>NTFS partition with DFSEE but then XP would not boot.

Which I was pretty sure would be the case.  I told you we needed to get
lucky and that does not happen often with Windows. :-)

>I then use DFSEE
>to make the partitions I wanted and then did the restore of XP which went
>to the c: partition but did not change the size of the partition.

As I mentioned in my other post, the intial partitioning we did was
superfluous.  The recovery code, overwrote what we did with dfsee.

Steven


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From isaxe at attglobal.net  Wed Jul 28 07:33:50 2004
From: isaxe at attglobal.net (Ira N. Saxe)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:33:50 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] eCom 1.1 Install
Message-ID: <4107B94E.B9853AAD@attglobal.net>

Don Woodall was kind enough to say I needed IBM's Boot Manager instead
of my present Power Boot 3.0.10, before installing eCom..  Where can I
get the latest version?  I have bootdisk.exe of 2001/10/27 in my
\OS2\INSTALL directory, and have downloaded vpart.zip of 2001/11/9 from
Hobbes.  Regards, Ira Saxe


From stanleys at cybernex.net  Wed Jul 28 08:40:15 2004
From: stanleys at cybernex.net (Stanley Sidlov)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:40:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Discussion] OT: Securing XP by the NIST
Message-ID: <auto-000331376742@admin.nni.com>

I got a NetFusion email yesterday.... without comment but aware that many of us just 'end up' having XP,  heres' the 
summary and link (btw if you use 2000, there is a link in the page for that OS version, too). You'll like the figures, I 
particularly liked the icon for 'fire wall' I used the beta Acrobat based on 4.05 to view the pdf.:

Today's focus:  Windows XP security checklist

By M. E. Kabay

Take advantage of our tax dollars at work. The National 
Institute of Standards and Technology Information Technology 
Laboratory Computer Security Division last month published the 
draft of a document to help IT professionals secure Windows XP 
systems.

The document is "Guidance for Securing Microsoft Windows XP 
Systems for IT Professionals: A NIST Security Configuration 
Checklist - Special Publication 800-68" by Murugiah Souppaya, 
Paul M. Johnson, Karen Kent and Anthony Harris. You can find it 
at: http://csrc.nist.gov/itsec/guidance_WinXP.html

"SP 800-68" comes in a ZIP file with a 147-page PDF file and 
four template files. The template files offer reference 
materials and suggested user-profile settings for:

 * Small-office/home-office systems (small, informal, 
  stand-alone). 
* Large enterprises (managed, structured, well-staffed). 
* High-security systems (at risk of attack or data exposure, 
  critical systems; may be subset of other environments). 
* Legacy systems (older, outdated communications modalities).





From dlswoodall at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 28 13:18:06 2004
From: dlswoodall at sbcglobal.net (Don{ald} O. Woodall)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:18:06 -0400
Subject: [Discussion] eCom 1.1 Install
In-Reply-To: <4107B94E.B9853AAD@attglobal.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.625.1220301619.20322.discussion@lists.possi.org>

In <4107B94E.B9853AAD at attglobal.net>, on 07/28/2004 
   at 10:33 AM, "Ira N. Saxe" <isaxe at attglobal.net> said:

>Don Woodall was kind enough to say I needed IBM's Boot Manager instead of
>my present Power Boot 3.0.10, before installing eCom..  Where can I get
>the latest version?  I have bootdisk.exe of 2001/10/27 in my \OS2\INSTALL
>directory, and have downloaded vpart.zip of 2001/11/9 from Hobbes. 
>Regards, Ira Saxe

Ira

     I have been assuming that you would boot from the
eCS 1.1 CD.

     Then go to "Management Console" which will allow you
to go to an OS/2 command line and run things like: LVM,
FORMAT, etc, before re-booting and doing the installation.


          The name of this file is:  ecs11cd-boot2command-line

     Below, I am trying to depict the 3 or 4 steps one needs to go through
to get to am eCS\OS/2 command line.


 Begin Install

       Next

 License
             ???
       Check ? ? Agree
             ???
       Next

 Select Installation Type

       ???
       ? ? Easy Installation ( the default )
       ???
       ???
       ? ? Advanced installation
       ???
       ???
       ? ? Install via response file ( This is grayed out )
       ???
       ???
       ?X? Management console
       ???


          The name of this file is: Mgtcons.ole

 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 ? eComStation     Commands          Drives   Edit                     ?
 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 ?                                                                     ?
 ?                 eCS Window        Format   System editor            ?
 ? Options   >     eCS Full Screen            VIO editor               ?
 ? Run...                                                              ?
 ? Restart the installer(Phase 1 only)                                 ?
 ? Shutdown                                                            ?
 ?                                                                     ?
 ?                                                                     ?
 ?   Options > Small fonts                                             ?
 ?             Medium fonts                                            ?
 ?             Large fonts                                             ?
 ?                                                                     ?
 ?                                                                     ?
 ?                                                                     ?
 ?                                                                     ?
 ?                                                                     ?
 ?                                                                     ?
 ?                                                                     ?
 ?                                                                     ?
 ?                                                                     ?
 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

     OK, this is my crude line art depiction of the Management Console.

     It is not at all to scale.  I shrank it horizontally so it would
hopefully be viewable in e-Mail without linewrap distortion.

     Also, I am displaying the drop down menus in the screen area.

     HTH

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